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November 24, 2008

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Nick Commons-Miller

"Proponents of government funding for researching alternative energy sources attempt to draw a parallel to the Manhattan Project, in which the government hired scientists across the nation to develop a nuclear weapon. This was a far different situation. Government would never trust such a dangerous weapon to the private sector, even though it could do more efficient research."

Most private academic research is funded through government grants. It would essentially be creating more grants and funding for environment-related research.

"waste taxpayer money"

No taxpayer money is being spent, or very little, I think. It is mostly printed money.

That IS a major inflation risk though.

"constrict economic growth"

I would at least agree that bailouts constrict long-term economic growth, because they reduce efficiency by reinforcing and keeping alive flawed and inefficient companies.

"More significantly, the government knew what it wanted to discover, and assigned a specific project. Right now, no one knows for certain which form of alternative energy will ultimately replace oil."

You can't know the path innovation will take. That is why it is innovation. Innovation is important though, because it is specifically what allows us to do better than we have been doing. (with no new ideas, you can't do better, because you will just be doing the same thing)

"What further subsidies can achieve is limited only by the audacity of one’s hope."

The train of argument is weak, honestly. If you are funding innovation that may make things more affordable in the long term, it can be successful. Some ideas fail, but that is not a reason to avoid innovation. Current failure HAS to be improved upon, otherwise we are just stuck in failure. You can't know what will be successful or not, but innovation is still necessary.

I like your closing sentence though, lol.

"The company is poorly run and is losing more than a billion dollars a month."

I agree, the company is poorly run, and that is a major issue. (even if their cars have gotten better than before)

"Believing that requires a leap of faith along the lines of believing dinosaurs walked the earth 6,000 years ago."

I loled.

If done for specific companies, bailouts just don't make sense. They reward failure, arrogance, and inefficiency. They don't fix the problems in the company. You can create standards for the company, but the reality is that these people can't fix the companies, otherwise they would have. That is why bankruptcy is a better option.

"Americans love the idea that they have a competent government capable of solving all their problems."

A bit of a generalization, but yeah, I think people do overestimate how successful our government is.

Right now, it seems that economic science is simply not good enough to offer a definitive explanation. If it did, then I'm sure our government could actually be effective though. (at least if the possible efficacy of the government is included in the real answer about how governments work.

"They cling to the narrative of the New Deal’s success with a religious zeal, but facts have a nasty habit of ruining a great story. Actual analysis has concluded that Hoover and Roosevelt’s attempts to save the nation from recession led it directly into the Great Depression, and that it recovered slowly and painfully in spite of the New Deal, not because of it."

I think there are alternate explanations, and it is debatable.

I also need to do more research though.

"Free markets are not perfect and they often make terrible decisions"

The market that existed at the time of this crisis was not even close to free anyway.

Nick Commons-Miller

*how economies work)

Michael N

"You can't know the path innovation will take. That is why it is innovation. Innovation is important though, because it is specifically what allows us to do better than we have been doing. (with no new ideas, you can't do better, because you will just be doing the same thing)."

Government funding does not provoke innovation. If the internet became completely ingrained in our society in less than 20 years, there's no reason the free market can't implement alternative energy when it becomes more efficient than using oil. The government believes it can speed up that process, I argue that it is a dubious assertion.

Nicholas Commons-Miller

"Government funding does not provoke innovation. If the internet became completely ingrained in our society in less than 20 years, there's no reason the free market can't implement alternative energy when it becomes more efficient than using oil. The government believes it can speed up that process, I argue that it is a dubious assertion."

It's as dubious as academic grants.

Nicholas Commons-Miller

Which are shown to have major results. I am adding this just so my sarcasm is not misunderstood by some people, if this ever got published.

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